...And All I Got Was This Lousy Speech

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I retract my previous statements. Thanks to Barack Obama's Speech of a Lifetime, which claims that all young people should be forced into slave labor (aka "peace corps") and that anyone who succeeds in America should be taxed to death just for nebulously falling into an "elite" of people that work for what they want- I'm back 100% with Bob Barr. Not because I like Bob Barr or anything- he's kind of annoying, to be honest. But because I've been kicked out of my former party by racist neo-cons and refuse to debase myself by running into the hands of the people that stole my family's wealth, hard work, and culture in a land merely 90 miles away.

These policies are the worst. Well, the few bits of speech that were policy, anyway. And because Obama is so incredibly gifted, I didn't just feel alienated from the Democratic Party, of which I've never felt a part of- I felt alienated from America.

 What if I appreciate George W. Bush for preventing terrorist attacks post-9/11, and for standing up against Putin strongly despite being personal friends?

 What if I don't trust the government with my retirement, and would rather social security not be a part of it?

What if I don't like taxes, and know better than to believe a Democrat who says he'll lower them?

What if I understand that unions are essentially mafias that brainwash and arm-twist their political beliefs upon the ignorant, and that the benefits of defending them outweigh the costs?

 What if, being a resident of one of the greatest victim cities of illegal immigration, I want foreign criminals out of my country? Surely America doesn't need to outsource crime, too?

 Nope, guess I'm not a part of America anymore.


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written by Sam Jack, August 28, 2008
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I retract my previous statements. Thanks to Barack Obama's Speech of a Lifetime, which claims that all young people should be forced into slave labor (aka "peace corps") (uh, what?) and that anyone who succeeds in America should be taxed to death just for nebulously falling into an "elite" of people that work for what they want (People that make more than $250,000 per year. I like the Get Rich model of the American dream just as much as you do, Frances, but the fact is that the vast majority of the American population are never going to be rich. A progressive tax structure creates a broad middle class; that's the best we can ask for.) - I'm back 100% with Bob Barr. Not because I like Bob Barr or anything- he's kind of annoying, to be honest. But because I've been kicked out of my former party by racist neo-cons and refuse to debase myself by running into the hands of the people that stole my family's wealth, hard work, and culture in a land merely 90 miles away (I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this; are you referring to Mexico? If you are, why in particular is it that the Democrats that have wronged you, while the Libertarians haven't?).
These policies are the worst. Well, the few bits of speech that were policy, anyway. And because Obama is so incredibly gifted, I didn't just feel alienated from the Democratic Party, of which I've never felt a part of- I felt alienated from America.
 What if I appreciate George W. Bush for preventing terrorist attacks post-9/11, and for standing up against Putin strongly despite being personal friends?
 What if I don't trust the government with my retirement, and would rather social security not be a part of it? (As a future Harvard graduate, Frances, you have the means to fund your own retirement; you will be funding the retirements of people who don't have the resources you do. And that these people don't have the opportunities that you do isn't their fault--they'll work as hard as you will, I imagine. I think we have a responsibility not to abandon people after a lifetime of work simply because their usefulness to the manufacturing and service economies has ended.)
What if I don't like taxes, and know better than to believe a Democrat who says he'll lower them? (Again, most Harvard graduates can say that they'll pay more in taxes than they get out of the government. But I don't think it's enough to say "I don't like my money being taken." You have to address the arguments in favor of a progressive tax system and then explain why your countervailing arguments are better. And the broad argument for taxation is that an economy with a broad middle class is better--both qualitatively and quantitatively, in terms of production--than one with a super-rich class and a super-poor one. And besides, I don't have any reason to think Barack Obama a liar. Do you?)
What if I understand that unions are essentially mafias that brainwash and arm-twist their political beliefs upon the ignorant, and that the benefits of defending them outweigh the costs? (Now this is just piffle. Unions don't have to brainwash people to make them want better wages, better working conditions, and health care. Workers deserve fair compensation for their work, and laws that prevent workers from organizing to get it are pretty close to immoral.)
 What if, being a resident of one of the greatest victim cities of illegal immigration, I want foreign criminals out of my country? Surely America doesn't need to outsource crime, too? (There's a moral argument on this and a practical reality. And this as stated seems incoherent to me.)
 Nope, guess I'm not a part of America anymore.
I just think your commentary misses the point. But hey, when is the Libertarian convention? You should be blogging about it, Frances.

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written by Frances Martel, August 28, 2008
Most of your points deserve much more eloquent and well-thought-out retorts than I can give at the moment (though I promise for the sake of our readership to come back to them), but I'll retort a few of the easier ones:
1) I was referring to communist Cuba, not Mexico, and no, I don't agree with many libertarians on the issue of immigration, though that wasn't what I was referring to.

As a Christian, I agree that we have a responsibility to help others that aren't as fortunate as we are, especially if they've worked as hard and just had a less fortunate life. Where I disagree is that I don't believe it's the government's job to force people into charity and helping others, because to me that is a personal and, yes, religious decision and the government has no place in religion equally personal beliefs. I'm not saying you have to be religious to like charity- I'm saying that caring for the needy is as personal a choice as religion.

It's not that I have a belief that Obama is personally a liar, but given the history of his party, I can't help but not trust him. Especially when he emphasizes that we need to put more money into helping America.

The Libertarian convention was like a million years ago, and Bob Barr was nominated. There is some stupid Ron Paul nonsense happening in Minnesota though! Though I would very much like to hear what the "point" was in his speech in a post from you. To quote some pundit or another (I think MSNBC's Chuck Todd?) a few hours ago, "Mark Penn would have been proud of this speech". It appeals to Clintonite liberals, and I can't help feel alienated by that.
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